bullet points for educated debates with Obama supporters .
message from random you tuber:
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On a serious note …
So Paint,
I totally agree that McCain is (or at least was) an honorable man (I question some of the negative ads
), but …
1) Let’s say Obama is a celebrity, isn’t Palin now a celebrity?
2) What’s bad about celebrities? Are you trying to say he doesn’t wear panties or something? Or gets drunk every night? Aren’t there good celebrities?
CELEBRITY = A widely known person
Now, maybe you might be politcally joking and to be honest I like that kinda stuff – keep it up!!! Like when people say McCain is so old … it’s funny. Or that Saturday Night Live sketch … damn funny, although I can imagine some people getting upset over it (on both sides).
I’m ok if you vote for McCain … I am 80% sure I’m going Obama, and mostly because I see ads from McCain that don’t attack his policy, but try to attack him as a person. and maybe because I watch to much FoxNews and they begin to disguist me with their “unbalanced and unfair” review. They are like “The View” but worse. I dismiss “The View” as a bunch of people yappin’, but Fox “News” scares me. If you do see some Obama ads (not leftest websites), please forward to me so I can get a better/full story.
Just please let me know that you choose McCain/Palin based on their economic policies and views on the war. Not because someone called Obama a celebrity, or McCain was in a POW camp, or he’s black, or she’s a woman, or he didn’t wear a pin, or someone said he was muslim, or someone said he’d raise your taxes. I try to do research daily on these ads and issues and not just believe what I hear.
Bottom line is that I want my next president to be a celebrity … a widely know (and respected) person. Not for their houses, past record, people that they know, but their ability to bring us all together. I think you want the same, but just think differently and you know what … that’s ok. I just pray that we are all doing ‘independent’ research and we aren’t acting like we are in high school trying to be a part of a group.
Good luck in November. I pray for us all.
my initial responses .
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sorry this reply took so long i wanted to make sure it was fully addressed.
:::1) Let’s say Obama is a celebrity, isn’t Palin now a celebrity? ::::
i live in Hollywood so the media presence of a person means nothing to me. in fact i’d much rather see a small town person, with a lot of courage and good resume and proven track record to follow thru, then someone who has NOT been vetted , lied on his application. was created by the media and well known criminals, with a history of non-disclosure, dishonesty and a refusal to provide simple evidence about his citizenship..
:::2) What’s bad about celebrities? :::
depends ,most are fine hardworking people who got to the top through there own merit. some just got lucky really there not any different they anyone else which again is why I’m disinterested in them .
:::Are you trying to say he doesn’t wear panties or something? ::::
nope ,quite frankly i don’t care what gender , race, creed, religion, or nationality your family came from..
i really only care about your character and i base my judgment largely on that, and how well i feel an individual with up hold both the vision of the founding fathers and our constitution ..
:::Or gets drunk every night? ::::
no, although if you really want stories i could bring my vid.cam down to Jays on Hollywood and Cherokee latter tonight and just let it roll while i do what i normally do, eat my hot dog and talk to the locals.
::::Aren’t there good celebrities? :::
yes ,
Glenn Beck is a great person extremely personable and he gives excellent hugs.
Ben Stein is also really cool.
I’ve met , Matt Damon, Rob Cohan , Ed O’Neil ect…
they are good people, I just don’t always agree with them on politics.
::: I’m ok if you vote for McCain … I am 80% sure I’m going Obama, and mostly because I see ads from McCain that don’t attack his policy, but try to attack him as a person. :::
actually I’ve seen those too, and I have seen far more ads that attack McCain as a person,
any “attack ad ” from the McCain camp has been in direct response to attacks made BY the Obama camp.
it goes equally both ways .
quite frankly , I’d rather stick to sarcasm and not wander too far down the outright attack road but that is the facts in the matter…
. as far as policy goes.. Obama has turned down McCain over 22 times at McCains request for town hall debates .
where they can both be on stage and we can see the quality of the person we are electing.. so far the closest i have seen to them together was at the “pit” last week.
and the Jr Senator was the most disgracefull thing this New Yorker had ever laid eyes on.
::::Just please let me know that you choose McCain/Palin based on their economic policies and views on the war:::
I’m choosing them based solely on their current policy and what i feel is the content of there charter.
I never said i agreed with them 100% and this election has been a long tiring race for me to try to gather all the facts . voting is not something I take lightly.
and my opinions due change term to term as i’ve gotten older i’ve grown more centric and listened to wisdom of the older generation. that has also been a factor in my personal political leanings .
if you want to break this down purely on policy:
i have several blog postings you can go back and look at the journey i took this year to get to my final conclusion.
heck you can go all the way back to posts from the 2004 election and read up on my Kerry and Gore support if you want .
People change .
humanity is fluid not static ,but their has to be a good solid reason why they made that change .
what they may have learned or meditated on to change there stance.
not just pandering for votes, or how it’s now called flip flopping..
::::Bottom line is that I want my next president to be a celebrity … a widely know (and respected) person.:::
I really don’t care , but widely known and respected is questionable when it comes to the jr, senator.
wildly known but who are his friends ?
shady dealings with convicted felons?, and unrepentant terrorists? , and Black” liberation” theologians?, racists?(ohh yes people that aren’t white can be racist too) ,
I’m sorry ,not who i want running my country.
then we can go to policy.:
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/928
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/?page_id=2
I’ll be adding more on my final decision to go with McCain shortly
I’m still fully grasping the whole thing. I had started on Paul
and then looked at Romney,
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/873
and only really considered McCain after most of the rest had dropped out.
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/959
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/942 <- palin
second message from random you tuber…..
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[ax] Oh man … I haven’t read this much since I quit law school. LOL.
Some [ax] comments below, tried to keep it short.
I live in Hollywood so the media presence of a person means nothing to me. in fact I’d much rather see a small town person, with a lot of courage and good resume and proven track record to follow thru, then someone who has NOT been vetted , lied on his application. was created by the media and is friends of well known criminals, with a history of non-disclosure, dishonesty and a refusal to provide simple evidence about his citizenship..
[ax] I would just be careful with “small town” as it relates to experience, although we can agree McCain is experienced. Palin I’m terrified of. Where did Obama lie on his application? Created by media? Which criminals (those relationships)? I watch FNC alot and I haven’t really seen to much of this. I have seen the “criminal” associations. And citizenship? The only citizenship issue I saw was McCain being born outside the US … which is true, but I don’t think it’s a problem. Are you suggesting Obama is not from the US? This isn’t one of those “pin-wearing”, “he’s a muslim”, “Osama Hussein” things is it? From your email responses, you definately seem to be one that won’t just believe what the “institution” tells you. So hit me up with more links.
:::2) What’s bad about celebrities? :::
depends ,most are fine hardworking people who got to the top through there own merit. some just got lucky really there not any different they anyone else which again is why I’m disinterested in them .
[ax] I don’t think Obama “got lucky”. It’s not like he just some average Joe. His name, his ethnicity, he’s got 2 strikes against him in this country let’s face it. Palin has a strike also because she’s a woman and I know there are ignorant people that won’t vote for her just because of that. But do you think he got lucky? I think the opposite. Was it lucky getting 75,000 people into a stadium? I just don’t see that. I know that there are a lot of people looking for leadership, but why not McCain? You actually think McCain could draw that sort of crowd? Palin … maybe 30,000, not McCain. Obviously he has worked hard to beat all of the other Democratic nominees. It’s not like our democratic process allows this sort of “lottery” where he could win. Now Palin … that’s “lucky”. We didn’t pick her via a democratic process. A buddy of mine mentioned to me that maybe we should vote for Pres and VP separately. Sounds funny, but might make sense … maybe.
:::Are you trying to say he doesn’t wear panties or something? ::::
[ax] trying to be funny
LOL
nope ,quite frankly i don’t care what gender , race, creed, religion, or nationality your family came from..i really only care about your character and i base my judgment largely on that, and how well i feel an individual with up hold both the vision of the founding fathers and our constitution ..
[ax] agreed
:::Or gets drunk every night? ::::
[ax] again trying to be funny.
no, although if you really want stories i could bring my vid.cam down to Jays on Hollywood and Cherokee latter tonight and just let it roll while i do what i normally do, eat my hot dog and talk to the locals.
[ax] SWEET!! Link me
. I can IMAGINE!! I travel out there a lot and it’s fun to people watch.
::::Aren’t there good celebrities? :::
yes , Glenn Beck is a great person extremely personable and he gives excellent hugs. Ben Stein is also really cool. I’ve met , Matt Damon, Rob Cohan , Ed O’Neil ect… they are good people, I just don’t always agree with them on politics.
[ax] agreed, we call on celebrities for fund raising and many times it works. I think the country needs a “celebrity” to bring us together because we’ve got to do about $1Trillion in fund raising … somehow.
[ax] personal question – what do you think about taxes? I don’t see how either Pres can get us out of this deficit. Also, we are owned by CHINA!! I see it everyday with my business. The outsourcing of America is crazy!!! The average person is clueless to this. China pumps BILLIONS into their education and economy. Anyway, I’m ranting …
::: I’m ok if you vote for McCain … I am 80% sure I’m going Obama, and mostly because I see ads from McCain that don’t attack his policy, but try to attack him as a person. :::
actually I’ve seen those too, and I have seen far more ads that attack McCain as a person, any “attack ad ” from the McCain camp has been in direct response to attacks made BY the Obama camp.
[ax] which ones? Can you link me. I just want to be fair and look at everything. I hear the word “attack” but haven’t seen anything … yet. People keep saying that Obama isn’t attacking enough. How could this be true?
it goes equally both ways . quite frankly , I’d rather stick to sarcasm and not wander too far down the outright attack road but that is the facts in the matter….
[ax] absolutely, that’s my sense of humor. One ad that may be close to attack from Obama is that McCain doesn’t know how to email(out of touch). Goes back to age, and that’s why he chose a “Palin”, young and vibrant. Problem is she is waaaayyyy to green for me. One heartbeat away terrifies me. This may sound horrible, but I deal with statistics. Almost every 20 years a president is assasinated/killed or shot. If Obama is president I know they will try to assasinate him. McCain has fought cancer 4 times and is significantly older. I’m worried … very worried for both men
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as far as policy goes.. Obama has turned down McCain over 22 times at McCains request for town hall debates .where they can both be on stage and we can see the quality of the person we are electing..
[ax] agreed, I’m not sure what the strategy is there to turn it down. I’ve heard it’s a sit and let McCain make mistakes policy, but I don’t know. I guess we’ll see next week. I just hope we can take our pre-disposed filters off. I know it’s hard for me at this point (80% and all).
so far the closest i have seen to them together was at the “pit” last week. and the Jr Senator was the most disgracefull thing this New Yorker had ever laid eyes on.
[ax] disgraceful? what was, please share those details. I just saw sound bites of policy/decision attacks. Flip-flop, econonmy stuff, …
::::Just please let me know that you choose McCain/Palin based on their economic policies and views on the war:::
I’m choosing them based solely on their current policy and what i feel is the content of there charter.
[ax] perfect, ‘nough said!!!
I never said i agreed with them 100% and this election has been a long tiring race for me to try to gather all the facts . voting is not something I take lightly. and my opinions due change term to term as i’ve gotten older i’ve grown more centric and listened to wisdom of the older generation. that has also been a factor in my personal political leanings .
if you want to break this down purely on policy:
i have several blog postings you can go back and look at the journey i took this year to get to my final conclusion. heck you can go all the way back to posts from the 2004 election and read up on my Kerry and Gore support if you want . People change .
humanity is fluid not static ,but their has to be a good solid reason why they made that change . what they may have learned or meditated on to change there stance. not just pandering for votes, or how it’s now called flip flopping..
[ax] Do you consider what McCain said flip-flopping? That we shouldn’t bail out AIG, then that we should? Or was that changing his mind? I guess I’m confused as to why people say he is FOR regulation, when he’s voted against it. That really confuses me. From my independent research, it doesn’t add up … but again maybe my independent research is off? Bush is against regulation, McCain votes with him 91% (and admits) so how is he for regulation? Need to look at this more.
::::Bottom line is that I want my next president to be a celebrity … a widely know (and respected) person.:::
I really don’t care , but widely known and respected is questionable when it comes to the jr, senator. wildly known but who are his friends ?
shady dealings with convicted felons?, and unrepentant terrorists? , and Black” liberation” theologians?, racists?(ohh yes people that aren’t white can be racist too) , I’m sorry ,not who i want running my country.
[ax] Did you see the O’Reily interviews? I think Obama explained it very well and Bill actually backed off. Tangential relationships are not how someone should be judged. Judge them on their record. That’s like judging McCain on “he knows Bush”, but the real judge is that he “voted with Bush”. It’s like judging Palin on her daughter being pregnant when she teaches abstinance. Palin can’t be blamed for her daughter’s mistakes EVEN when it’s her daughter. Also family is off-limits … as Obama said. Sorry he got MAJOR points from me on that.
This is based on interpretation so
[ax] you are so correct!!!
then we can go to policy.:
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/928
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/?page_id=2
i’ll be adding more on my final decision to go with McCain shortly
i’m still fully grasping the whole thing. i had started on Paul
and then looked at Romney,
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/873
[ax] Now ROMNEY is a choice. Economic background and would have been the best solution for the country. I’m still so @#$! confused on how McCain won? It makes NO SENSE! I think the problem was that nobody took it serious in the primaries and McCain had more money, but not sure where he got it from. I dropped looking at this.
and only really considered McCain after most of the rest had dropped out.
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/959
http://paintbrush12.com/wordpress/archives/942 <- palin
[ax] OH MAN … so many links. Now I’ll be up all night reading. Thanks for the lively chat, I love it. Hopefully we will both get what we want in December … a better country. Take care and keep in touch my Republican friend
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Go America 2008+!
blah i realized a misseda few points . but their was too much there.
my second response..
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I’ll try to answer these from my perspective the best i can .. it all comes down to honesty and transparently
[ax] disgraceful? what was, please share those details. I just saw sound bites of policy/decision attacks. Flip-flop, econonmy stuff, …
[pmc]
in the past week, we have seen the following ads from the Obama campaign ( not 527s mind you, actual I Approve This Message type ads)
1) Ad from a fake pro gun group run by Brady Campaign Gun Control supporter Ray Schoenke supporting Obama on talk radio stations in Virginia.
2) Ad making fun of McCain for not using email when McCain doesn’t type much because of torture as a POW.
3) Ad saying McCain is doing dirty attacks (again, this AFTER they made fun of a guy crippled by the freaking Vietnamese)
4) Ad in Spanish lying about Rush Limbaugh’s position on illegal aliens – They take the entire commentary and leave out the last 2 lines that show that it is in fact MEXICO’S actual laws regarding illegals.
( yes i barrowed that from the forum it was well laid out.. actually i’ trying to find the clips online )
my biggest issue with him is still that whole :respect the dead on 9-11, fail :…..
there are certain things you do to show a commitment and reverence in that type of situation it’s part of honor and diginty. like saluting the flag or placing you hand over your heart or exspcally when your a guest of honor. respectful placing a rose and then greeting every member to show you appreciation. it just . the lack of charter was unsettling to me. i think we are loosing our dignity as a country and that is a sad sad thing. when respect and hard work are dying.
[ax] Do you consider what McCain said flip-flopping? That we shouldn’t bail out AIG, then that we should? Or was that changing his mind? I guess I’m confused as to why people say he is FOR regulation, when he’s voted against it. That really confuses me. From my independent research, it doesn’t add up … but again maybe my independent research is off? Bush is against regulation, McCain votes with him 91% (and admits) so how is he for regulation? Need to look at this more.
[pmc]
McCain was for AIG buy up because other wise it would have been much much worse .
but he was huge on regulation of Fannie and Freddie. who should of been allowed to fail.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/15425/
…as per usual Glenn makes the best to the point argument …
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/15354/
i’m waiting for next week though there doing a people court type thing, going for the full expose on where the money trail leads between which members of the government and the people running those psudo-federal companies.. Glen is not partisan you have an equal chance he will point out both sides doing something shady..
“”"”GLENN: Okay. I think we have enough here. Look, this is really important to understand because the failed policies of old are really the failed policies of both parties. In fact, Stu, does he say it? Does John McCain at any time in this speech point out that it’s both parties that have done this?
STU: Well, at the beginning he did say that congress did nothing and the administration did nothing.
GLENN: Okay. It is both DNC and GOP that have caused this problem. However, one has been trying to fight this. As much as they say, “Oh, he wants to deregulate,” yes, deregulation is good as long as there is the pain at the end. Deregulating and allowing people to fail is a conservative ideal. When it comes to regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, because there was no failure allowed there, two years ago John McCain actually introduced legislation that would put more regulation on these two.”"”"”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/records-show-mccain-more-bipartisan/ [/url]
bi-partisin
[ax] Now ROMNEY is a choice. Economic background and would have been the best solution for the country. I’m still so @#$! confused on how McCain won? It makes NO SENSE! I think the problem was that nobody took it serious in the primaries and McCain had more money, but not sure where he got it from. I dropped looking at this.
[pmc] it was mostly an out right attack on his religion and some weak arguments early on, that claimed he flip flopped but i think i covered that in the last email.
[ax]
I would just be careful with “small town” as it relates to experience, although we can agree McCain is experienced. Palin I’m terrified of.
would just be careful with “small town” as it relates to experience, although we can agree McCain is experienced. Palin I’m terrified of. Where did Obama lie on his application?
[Pmc]
I’m from a hamlet, town size means nothing. it’s how you handle yourself. if where i came from dictated how i would turn out. then i would of never made it past working for the local drug store and community college or high school.
[ax]
Created by media?
[pmc]
more so the lack of coverage . where do you think the Obamamaesssih image came from?
you said your self you hadn’t even heard these accusations . or any probing. he also was never vetted by the FBI or any agency to prove his record .
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-woods-fund/
[Pmc]
ohh don’t get me started …….
compare abc ‘s puff piece on obama vs there palin interview for starters
Palin:
that was the most glarring , it may just be me becuse i’m trained in camera work that when i see a production done by professionals deliberately botched or using ..well NOT using standard perceived for a fair interview it rather annoys me . and this is beyond the tone or the questions which were worded to entrap her, and make her look stupid to the general public that may not realize ther are more then one definition to a term.. I’m talking flat out, camera angles used to make the interview look small and meek, or slouched, sound design that seems to be tossed on with out bothering to do a mic check. multitonal camera cuts.. like they didn’t bother white balancing the camera on the subject while the hosts mic and camera were fine.. it’s the subliminal things that effects how a person perceives an interview. that ad the editing. i got to see some of the raw footage leaked to you tube that morning, and in final was really a hack job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmjhVg1YJ0&feature=related
Obama piece was fully produced with good lighting , smiling interviewing camera Angeles lighting and extra graphics .. it was like.. a pinto vs a mustang. sure there both cars and there both named after horses , but if you wan to impress someone you pick the mustang .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEnu89dxCY
face to face it starts at about a minuet in, pay particular attention to head space , and how the subject is portrayed in over the shoulder shots i’m not even looking at “content” here at this point just the productions..
[ax]
think Obama explained it very well and Bill actually backed off. Tangential relationships are not how someone should be judged. Judge them on their record.
That’s like judging McCain on “he knows Bush”, but the real judge is that he “voted with Bush”.
It’s like judging Palin on her daughter being pregnant when she teaches abstinance. Palin can’t be blamed for her daughter’s mistakes EVEN when it’s her daughter. Also family is off-limits … as Obama said. Sorry he got MAJOR points from me on that.
Which criminals (those relationships)?
[pmc]
first off….
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article756172.ece
what i was referencing here.: when Dem attacked McCain for his wifes earned and utilized houses .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879hsGDjakw
[pmc]
which you made the good point: unless it goes deeper then just aqantice .
were not saying Obama knew these people i’m looking at the dealings he has had with them .
Obama was in the church for 20 years , he was married by the pastor he called him a mentor. you can judge for yourself if you feel this is revelvent it is to my decision making process.
now Wrights , hateful speech and philosophy that was repeatedly preached in his church is in direct opposition to the goals set for by Dr. King. and even though he stepped down, the church hasn’t changed it’s tune .
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/breaking-news-1.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008/news/nationalnews/o_pastor_in_sex_scandal_128142.htm
to do a little research into what the so called “black community ” was supposed be be striving for as per Dr. King…
this is the full context of his i have a dream speech.
http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html
it’s an important read to understand what is meant by equality.. Dr king never asks for reparations just the opportunity to succeed. nort hand outs just the opportunity . i don’t feel that those opportunities are being utilized. it’s not that they are not there .
many people have broken the glass ceilings , and currently it’s almost easier to be a person of color then not, if you look at all the special programs ecterta.. note again Dr King never asked for special treatment just equal treatment.
personal feeling: Americans are American any deviation from that breeds discord .
mentorship is much deeper then just a passing relationship..
then we have to look further to really understand what kind of person he associates himself with. , i feel once you learn something isn’t right you distance your self from those people not continue the relationship..
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/08/annenberg-obama.html
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/27/obamas-ayers-problem-deepens/
I watch FNC alot and I haven’t really seen to much of this. I have seen the “criminal” associations.
And citizenship?
The only citizenship issue I saw was McCain being born outside the US … which is true, but I don’t think it’s a problem. Are you suggesting Obama is not from the US?
This isn’t one of those “pin-wearing”, “he’s a muslim”, “Osama Hussein” things is it?
[pmc]..
:::::discloser . I don’t watch FNC, i don’t have “Cable”, i get my media from talk radio, a few very well informed forums , AP feed, RAW , UK telegraph, the internet, first hand accounts, CNN*online , and a lot of cross referencing.::::
I just want him to produce an actual live birth cert and disclose the method he obtained his passports.
you CAN be a us citizen or dual citizen and qualify for a passport but their rules are written weird. i’ve been thru them , and it depends on the year and the other countries laws too. since immigration rules have changes so much. i don’t think it’s unfair to want full disclouse from a man who repeatedly reffers to himself asa citizen of the world , and who may have other vested interests beyond protecting OUR borders.
Obama on his application did not give full disclosure, on any application i have ever filled out I’ve been required to give full disclosure . people get fired for not telling the whole truth .
Obama citizenship lawsuit links :
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1078071/Philip-Berg-vs-Barack-Hussein-Obama-Citizenship-Lawsuit
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656
fake birth cert ..
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/such-a-liar-oba.html
as an artist who uses photoshop as my bread and butter, I do concur with the findings of this forensics expert. and he shows the possesses.
http://obamacrimes.com/
http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/17-certificate-of-live-birth-analysis-part-one
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12944.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13038.htm *2
I actually downloaded the photo and did my own investigation.. it was run through CS3 in June. and the guy is right it dosn’t match up to a offical certified CLBC.
so the things that are questionable here are
1 why not just produce your validated birth cert .. in public?
*2 although you can still be a US citizen and run for president in the US if your born out of the country..
you need to be on US soil, this was the McCain technicality he was born on a base , to 2 American citizens.
or
at least 1 parent must of lived in the US for 5 years after their 14th birthday.
(Obamas mother, if , he was born in Kenya, was only 18, 1 year too young to pass on citizenship according to the law at that time.. so their is that question there.)
their are a lot of little questions i don’t feel have been addressed properly..
[ax] Did you see the O’Reily interviews? I
no don’t have tv, will watch them latter tonight.
(i will also link them here when i find them on you tube to be fair)