paint: i’ve just about given up on attempting to help the gay community.
Hooch: lol y
paint: i have come to the conclusion that if they act like 2 year olds and don’t renounce the idiots that deface , destroy and desecrate they don’t deserve my assistance
Hooch: i agree though
paint:

paint: i made my final video on the subject last night. with my prediction:
the only way they will ever get full marrige rights is if:

#1 they accept civil unions .
#2 they buddy up nicely with those churches that alreadty accept it.
lets those churches fight to be able to marry them .
#3 and leave those churches that don’t accept it alone, agree to disagree.
same way pagans surrive.
anything else (violent)will loose any chance for them.
Hooch: ?? u don’t need a church to be married, why should thye be involved?
paint: thats the point.
paint: i don’ think this is even about marrige any more
paint: it’s just about being whinny brats for the hell of it… if it was about rights they’d of taken civil unions by now. it’s about force and intimidation at this point.
Hooch: mhmm :-\
paint: you need the state to issue a license. you need a church or judge to finalize it.
Hooch: i have no problems with homsexuals, it’s the “homosexual agenda” that pisses me off

paint: but it’s gone from being for “rights” to being “how big an ass can i be just to push an agenda ” .
paint: anyway.
paint: the comments that were left this morning. were pretty telling.
paint: the commenter seemed to think once all the old people die off ,every young person will be liberal and socialist..
well. fact is 90% od the country is red.
paint: and when the cities get blown up..…becuse it’s no longer an if …it’s a WHEN
paint: city dwellers will be forced to come to the rural areas and accept rural life styles. gov won’t be there. and hard work forces some hard life lessons
Hooch: mhmm
paint: also their is the missunder standing the conservatives “hate ”
not the case .
everyone would be accepted with open arms by the vast majority of people as people in need
granted their would be diferanting opinions on some choice principals. BUT
i don’t know any conseravtive who would deny someone on the basis of sexuality .. maybe on the bases of imtimidation.
it’s how you come to the table , not who you are.

example. regardless of sex color lifestyle.

if you come humble asking for help. it will be given in the form needed..

if you come at gun point , or demanding it. it be met with resistance.
Hooch: lol liberals can’t take differing opinions, it’s not like they believe in tolerance or anything

paint: :/
paint: sersly. the media has completely brainwashed a whole culture
paint: my fave comment was “it was only one or 2 that made the group look bad .. your basing it on 1 or 2 people”
paint: i was AT the riots and the protests.
it was not .1 or 2 it was 10k in hollywood and 20+ that stormed a church in MI
ther’re STILL protesting the LDS temple every night it’s unacceptable and what pisses me off even more was now ther saying they don’t want a “vote”

they want rights..
well every right has gone to a vote in this country
Hooch: ??
paint: we don’t issue mandates
civil rights in the 1960′s went to a vote it had to pass congress.
sufferage . was a vote
emacipation had to go to a vote
it all went to a vote and some of those took years .
but what these protesters don’t realize is that
in every case they had an eloquent passifict that eventually won over the majority.
protests to stop vitenam . didn’t work. it didn’t stop it

MLK won civil rights there non-violent means and eloquent speech a paster he did it.it wasn’t by terror and intimidation
it was a small lone voice of reason
Hooch: yup, like Gandhi

paint: the protests never gained any ground
protests just piss people off
Hooch: yep, especially when they’re crazy and insane and violent

 sersly. if you don’t like it go find another church.. there are enough churches that accept your Choice in lifestyle .  go peacefully join them. and stop acting like spoiled brats it’s getting harder and harder for me to support the GLBT community based on your childish actions as of late.

http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/article-2302-gay-anarchist-action-hits-church.html

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20081111/NEWS01/811110355

Tuesday, November 11,2008

Gay anarchist ‘action’ hits church

Gay anarchist group infiltrates, protests outside Eaton County church

by Nathan Harris

(Nathan Harris/City Pulse) The “outside team” focuses its attention on traffic passing by the Mt. Hope Church in Eaton County.

 

 

A gay anarchist group infiltrated the Mt. Hope Church in Eaton County Sunday morning, disrupting a service by pulling a fire alarm, dropping leaflets and yelling at parishioners, a pastor said.

The group, Bash Back, was simultaneously picketing outside the church, beating on buckets and using a megaphone to shout “Jesus was a homo” and other slogans as confused churchgoers continued to enter the building.

Members of Bash Back issued a press release Tuesday saying that it targeted Mt. Hope, a church that claims a flock of around 5,000, because it is, “complicit in the repression of queers in Michigan and beyond.”

According to the Myspace.com page of the Lansing chapter, the network initially sprung up with the intent of increasing homosexual visibility within the anarchist community.

The “action” began early Sunday morning at the Northstar Center on Lathrop Street in Lansing where a group of around 20 protesters gathered. Pink bandanas, signs, a rainbow-colored “Bash Back!” flag and a pink, wooden cross were distributed among about half the group — the “outside team.” The rest — “inside team” — were dressed in conservative clothes and carried Bibles and stacks of fliers, intending to blend in to the church‘s 11:30 a.m. “contemporary-laid back service.”

City Pulse was alerted to the Bash Back event through a press release and had no prior knowledge of where the “action” would take place or what it would entail.

“We’re having an action today,” one of the organizers told this reporter at the Northstar Center. “You’re in for a treat.”

Bash Back began picketing outside the church doors soon after the 11:30 service began. The group also handed out fliers, which were much calmer in tone and targeted more at the curious than the angry.

“We specialize in confronting homophobia, transphobia and every and all other forms of oppression,” the fliers read. “We strive for the liberation of all people.”

After a few minutes of protesting in front of the church doors, the “outside team” was asked to move its protest to the street, about 100 yards from the building. The team, standing beneath a row of tall flags that flank the entrance to the fortress-like church, focused its energy on the passing cars.

About 40 minutes into the service, the “inside team” ran from the building to their cars and drove away.
The Rev. John Elieff, “Helps Minister” at Mt. Hope Church, said Bash Back members disrupted the service by bursting into the sanctuary, throwing fliers, hanging a banner from the balcony and pulling fire alarms.

“It was an unwelcome and violent demonstration,” he said.

When Eaton County Sheriff’s deputies arrived, they questioned the remaining protestors in the church parking lot. Elieff and other church staff questioned the Bash Back members why Mt. Hope Church had been singled out.

“I don’t know,” was an almost universal response.

Elieff acknowledged the group’s right to protest, but he said the church’s civil rights were infringed upon when the service was disrupted.

No one was arrested at the church, and, Elieff said, as far as he knew, no arrests have been made.
“I would have preferred that they had all been taken in,” he said.

Elieff called Bash Back’s description of the church as a “well-known anti-queer, anti-choice radical right-wing establishment” a “gross misinterpretation.”

He said the leadership of Mt. Hope Church attempts to identify the church as neither anti-homosexual nor anti-choice, but that homosexuality is one of many sins the Bible condemns.

“Mt. Hope Church struggles to follow Christ’s example of loving the sinner and not the sin,” he said.

 

 

 

 

 

Gay rights group claims responsibility for church protest

Protesters who entered the Creyts Road church with worshippers stood up during the service, threw fliers at churchgoers and shouted slogans such as “It’s OK to be gay,” according to David Williams, communications director at the church. His father, Dave Williams, is the church’s longtime pastor. Another group of protesters demonstrated outside the church.

A Lansing group affiliated with a radical gay organization known as Bash Back, formed to protest the Republican and Democratic national conventions earlier this year, put out a call on the Internet on Oct. 7 for activists to come to a “radical queer convergence” in Lansing Nov. 7-9.

According to a report on the group’s Web site, protesters inside the church also pulled a fire alarm and unfurled a banner from the church balcony.

Mount Hope Church, affiliated with the Assemblies of God denomination, teaches followers that homosexuality is a sin.

“Mount Hope Church strives to follow Jesus’ example of loving the sinner but not the sin,” Williams said.

The Eaton County Sheriff’s Department responded to the protest but was not immediately available for comment.

Read more in Wednesday’s edition of the Lansing State Journal.